Debate over religious beliefs

[T3KTONIT]

Hello there sheep and people, i would like to start this topic over religions and overall philosophies of life, share your ideas, your beliefs your gods, whatever, and we will talk about them openly and discuss them here!

here i go first, i'm agnostic, but there is something that tells me that there is a higher force, a creator, that created this world and everything inside of it, he is very strange, very weird, unknown and ununderstandable, he is not just, he is not loving, he does not care about anything in his creation and he certainly does not answer anyone's prayers(generally, but there might be some exceptions where he fucked around with some of his creations or something... idk)

so there you go this is a summary of my beliefs.



ps: i would like you guys to discuss this subject with seriousness. trolling will only show that you're ignorant.

 

[Paul159]

:sadpepe:

 

[democrazy]

why u no let Jesuz/Mohammed/Buddah/.. inside of you?  :sadpepe:

i think religion is some creation of human
it was created for various reasons, eg people cant explain things

 

[T3KTONIT]

why u no let Jesuz/Mohammed/Buddah/.. inside of you?  :sadpepe:

i think religion is some creation of human
it was created for various reasons, eg people cant explain things

I don't really know why should i let another person influence my life and tell me that i shouldn't care about anything in life, because all that matters is the afterlife..., what's the reason of existence if all that matters is the afterlife? and why should we even worship god
i mean why do we have to do that? we are created just to worship, like what is god going to get from us worshiping him?

this is for what concerns the afterlife believers(Jesus & Mohammed)
for Buddha, i think he is a very wise man, in fact it's the first "philosophy" that explains how we should really be as humans, it's the most peaceful "religion"( i don't know what to call it, cuz they say it's not a religion, but i don't care, religion philosophy, whatever) and it's the only religion i think that agrees with modern science not like Christianity that says stupid stuff like the earth was flooded... which was already debunked by scientists...
Buddhism says that life is full of sufferings, but we can surpass these sufferings if we become enlightened, this suffering comes from our desires, and we should modify or remove them completely from our lives. we should agree that everything is normal and not let our emotions get ahead of us, and we should do only good, and do no bad. Buddha didn't claim to be a god/prophet and he didn't like to talk about gods, and people only bow to him to show respect to him, Buddhists are not worshipers.

 

[Opcode.eXe]

T3K just pray to Allah  :table_flip:

 

[[CVT]Te[R]minater]

well i think in terms of religious beliefs, sikhism makes more sense to me than other religions.
Most of the people dont know about sikhism but it is the only religion which is scientfically correct, and whose holy book was wirtten by the founders of sikhism itself, their book is Guru Granth Sahib, i used to read its englishh translations and i bet I LEFT CHRISTIANITY after reading it, as the message of it is so unique and powerful.
Jesus did not write bible, and muhammad did not write the Quran, hence Guru Granth Sahib is more trustworthy

Quote from Ang1 of guru granth sahib
One Universal Creator God. The Name Is Truth. Creative Being Personified. No Fear. No Hatred. Image Of The Undying, Beyond Birth, Self-Existent. By Guru's Grace
True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages
True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True. ||1||
By thinking, He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking hundreds of thousands of times.
By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within
The hunger of the hungry is not appeased, even by piling up loads of worldly goods.
Hundreds of thousands of clever tricks, but not even one of them will go along with you in the end.
So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away?

Continued here http://www.sikhnet.com/oldsikhnet/sggs/translation/0001.html

 

[Nourhamdy]

This will end in a fight, lol

 

[Carl Johnson]

Shhh people still believe in God  :table_flip:

 

[[CVT]Te[R]minater]

Shhh people still believe in God  :table_flip:

God is not a nigga sitting in the clouds with few chicks, he is in us and in every particle, atom, molecule in the universe, in fact God is energy, from where we all came from and at the end we will.merge back to him, God has no form, he is formless, he is type of energy which needs to be experienced by meditation, like Buddhists and Sikhs do

 

[T3KTONIT]

well i think in terms of religious beliefs, sikhism makes more sense to me than other religions.
Most of the people dont know about sikhism but it is the only religion which is scientfically correct, and whose holy book was wirtten by the founders of sikhism itself, their book is Guru Granth Sahib, i used to read its englishh translations and i bet I LEFT CHRISTIANITY after reading it, as the message of it is so unique and powerful.
Jesus did not write bible, and muhammad did not write the Quran, hence Guru Granth Sahib is more trustworthy

Quote from Ang1 of guru granth sahib
One Universal Creator God. The Name Is Truth. Creative Being Personified. No Fear. No Hatred. Image Of The Undying, Beyond Birth, Self-Existent. By Guru's Grace
True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages
True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True. ||1||
By thinking, He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking hundreds of thousands of times.
By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within
The hunger of the hungry is not appeased, even by piling up loads of worldly goods.
Hundreds of thousands of clever tricks, but not even one of them will go along with you in the end.
So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away?

Continued here http://www.sikhnet.com/oldsikhnet/sggs/translation/0001.html

Yeah, i never really read about sikhism, i've read about zoroastrianism which is also a monotheistic religion and it is older than islam and christianity, and it appears to be soo similar to them, just their god is not the Abrahamic god yahweh/allah, but his name is Ahura Mazda, i didn't read much about it, they also do rituals and other stuff, never got to see if they got rules that ties human beings from their freedom like islam lol...

just to answer u, in islam, there are some people that studied history of religion and stuff, they say that Muhammed did write the quran, but they say that Gabriel (the angel that supposed to tell the prophets what god says) is just a Myth, thus, disproving that Quran is not god's words.. and i like this explanation, because if u look at muhammad's history, and he's done things that i think god as the "perfect all merciful" wouldn't command him to do, it's really a fucked up history, and i think he used the quran in his advantage to brainwash people that time into giving him what he wants.

just a question, what do u know about sikhism in terms of rules/laws that human beings should obey just to know if they make sense or not, for instance in this stupid islam they tell you you can't even have a handshake with a woman.

 

[Lucky_strike666]

I think the question is not whether God really exists but accepting that he's not going to interfere with our life. There's this belief called "Deism" which basically states that God created the universe and our planet but stopped doing anything after, which sounds pretty logical to me. You should be a good person not for the fear of going to hell if you're behaving bad, but because we're all humans and should stick together. That being said, I don't enjoy the recent extremism that's coming from Islam, especially ISIS. You don't really see Christians blowing each other up, why do they have to interprete the Quran is such a crazy way? Religion helped unifying once hundred years ago, but it's doing more harm than good nowadays. Muslims beheading people, Catholics having sex with children etc. etc.

too long; didn't read - Fuck religion

 

[T3KTONIT]

I think the question is not whether God really exists but accepting that he's not going to interfere with our life. There's this belief called "Deism" which basically states that God created the universe and our planet but stopped doing anything after, which sounds pretty logical to me. You should be a good person not for the fear of going to hell if you're behaving bad, but because we're all humans and should stick together. That being said, I don't enjoy the recent extremism that's coming from Islam, especially ISIS. You don't really see Christians blowing each other up, why do they have to interprete the Quran is such a crazy way? Religion helped unifying once hundred years ago, but it's doing more harm than good nowadays. Muslims beheading people, Catholics having sex with children etc. etc.

too long; didn't read - Fuck religion

Yes i get your point, that's also what i believe, god created this world, but as we observe his creation, we see that human beings are suffering, animals are suffering, every living thing is suffering, therefore he does not care about his creation OR he is malevolent.

as for ISIS and that stuff, i don't really care about that shit, ANY religion that imposes RULES on humanity is not a religion but an Ideology wanting to brainwash us!, giving that humans have got functioning brains, i'm pretty sure they don't fucking need religion to know right from wrong... we have plenty of fucking useful philosophies.. these religions are nothing but useless philosophies. people in the bronze age came up with philosophies of life that are 1000 times better than this islam and christianity bullshit.

 

[monday]

i'm trying to understand

God is not a nigga sitting in the clouds with few chicks, he is in us and in every particle, atom, molecule in the universe,

so God is everywhere, I see, simple, nice and easy.

in fact God is energy, from where we all came from and at the end we will.merge back to him,

assuming that the first quote is true then "we all" = God, because "we all" consist of particles, atoms, molecules. So this quote meaning is something like "God came from God and will merge back to God". Isn't it?

he is type of energy which needs to be experienced by meditation, like Buddhists and Sikhs do

By placing our bodies and minds which include God in comfortable positions (meditation) we are able to experience more God. "God is energy that can be experienced by placing certain God containing particles in certain order"

Did I misinterpret anything or actually it's advisable to not interpret such statements because their meaning is pure bulshit and the base on which they even exist is ignorance?

 

[[CVT]Te[R]minater]

Yeah, i never really read about sikhism, i've read about zoroastrianism which is also a monotheistic religion and it is older than islam and christianity, and it appears to be soo similar to them, just their god is not the Abrahamic god yahweh/allah, but his name is Ahura Mazda, i didn't read much about it, they also do rituals and other stuff, never got to see if they got rules that ties human beings from their freedom like islam lol...

just to answer u, in islam, there are some people that studied history of religion and stuff, they say that Muhammed did write the quran, but they say that Gabriel (the angel that supposed to tell the prophets what god says) is just a Myth, thus, disproving that Quran is not god's words.. and i like this explanation, because if u look at muhammad's history, and he's done things that i think god as the "perfect all merciful" wouldn't command him to do, it's really a fucked up history, and i think he used the quran in his advantage to brainwash people that time into giving him what he wants.

just a question, what do u know about sikhism in terms of rules/laws that human beings should obey just to know if they make sense or not, for instance in this stupid islam they tell you you can't even have a handshake with a woman.

in Sikhism we believe in 3 things
1) earn honest living
2) share with the needy
3) always remember the God who is above all
The rules are quite as follows:-
Porn not allowed and sexual affairs are only allowed in marriage, you can only marry one women, but in exceptional cases this marriage law can be broken

 

[[CVT]Te[R]minater]

idol worship is forbidden.
All are equal irrespective off religion, sex etc.
women can be preachers and occupy every position which a man can.
remarriage is allowed
There is no need of women to wear hijab etc.
Anyone can attain God, irrespective of religion, only if u focus on true part of your faith, Sikhism came only 500 years before to give the complete truth, because religions before had some truth but it was not complete. So islam, Christianity all have parts of truth and Muslims and Christians etc. can attain God with that truth but there is a lot of falsehood too.
So Sikhism is the complete inclusive truth not the exclusive.

 

[T3KTONIT]

idol worship is forbidden.
All are equal irrespective off religion, sex etc.
women can be preachers and occupy every position which a man can.
remarriage is allowed
There is no need of women to wear hijab etc.
Anyone can attain God, irrespective of religion, only if u focus on true part of your faith, Sikhism came only 500 years before to give the complete truth, because religions before had some truth but it was not complete. So islam, Christianity all have parts of truth and Muslims and Christians etc. can attain God with that truth but there is a lot of falsehood too.
So Sikhism is the complete inclusive truth not the exclusive.

Is there an afterlife in sikhism?, and if you don't believe in the god of sikhism(but u believe in one god, the only god, unknown), but still you're a good person, with good deeds, what happens?

 

[[CVT]Te[R]minater]

Is there an afterlife in sikhism?, and if you don't believe in the god of sikhism, but still you're a good person, with good deeds, what happens?

There is no God of Sikhism, God dosent have my religion, it can be experienced by anyone, if u don't believe in Sikhism , you should practice your faith in its true form.
like the guru granth sahib says to muslims, to practice islam like this:-
It is difficult to be called a Muslim; if one is truly a Muslim, then he may be called one.

First, let him savor the religion of the Prophet as sweet; then, let his pride of his possessions be scraped away.

Becoming a true Muslim, a disciple of the faith of Mohammed, let him put aside the delusion of death and life.

As he submits to God's Will, and surrenders to the Creator, he is rid of selfishness and conceit.

And when, O Nanak, he is merciful to all beings, only then shall he be called a Muslim.

you keep your fasts to please Allah, while you murder other beings for pleasure.

You look after your own interests, and so not see the interests of others. What good is your word? (1)
O Qazi, the One Lord is within you, but you do not behold Him by thought or contemplation.

You do not care for others, you are a religious fanatic, and your life is of no account at all. (1)(Pause)

Your holy scriptures say that Allah is True, and that he is neither male nor female.

But you gain nothing by reading and studying, O mad-man, if you do not gain the understanding in your heart. (2)

Allah is hidden in every heart; reflect upon this in your mind.

The One Lord is within both Hindu and Muslim; Kabeer proclaims this out loud. (3)(7)(29)

What happens in afterlife?
We believe that you get judged according to your deeds which u did as soon as u die, God is always forgiving and most of your sins get forgiven but the serious ones go back to the cycle of life and death maybe in another life form (8.4 million living species, science has found around 2-3 million, maybe in the future this comes out to be true that there are 8.4 million in all)
If the sins are far more serious, u go to hell for a temporary amount of time not eternal hell, and then God gives u a chance. Heaven is attained by good people who might have comiited sins but not serious ones.

 

[[CVT]Te[R]minater]

so if u don't believe in Sikhism which is complete truth, the way to God is that u practice the true part of your faith, not the falsehood present in your faith

 

[Paul159]

K

 

[Child_]

Well, As a Muslim, I'll say that Prophet Muhammed didn't wrote Quran himself, He didn't knew how to read or write.

He was just vistited by Jibrael who then told him the words of Allah, and then those were the scriptures who used to write it down on leaves, stones and such pieces. After the death of Prophet, Quran wasn't compiled, it was then later compiled into a single book called Quran.

No offence, but I don't even accept Sikhism as a religion, its just a self made religion.