NGRP Gamemode
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Design is not everything, if you have a good design it's good for customization and coding... but not everyone get's use of this.Pottus link said:
If you have a good Design but an awful slow Gamemode where every Callback calls another it's pointless todo a gamemode.
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Callback hooking will have an effect too marginal to make any significant difference whereas you have all your systems in single callbacks you end up with a cluster of code. A good design isn't going affect the speed of your gamemode in any negative way. I don't know if you built a gamemode but from my experience I know that fundamental design is far superior to any marginal loss of efficiency related to callback hooking.
PAWN is very powerful language. Due to very often updates of it to the newest possible version in samp server we can totally focus on design instead of patching bugs existing for decades. What is more, there is no commonly used library that single update can break its functionality, because it uses exploits in PAWN in order to access server memory that is not supposed to be accessed through amx code.Pottus link said:
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Pottus link said:
Callback hooking will have an effect too marginal to make any significant difference whereas you have all your systems in single callbacks you end up with a cluster of code. A good design isn't going affect the speed of your gamemode in any negative way. I don't know if you built a gamemode but from my experience I know that fundamental design is far superior to any marginal loss of efficiency related to callback hooking.
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Where I said that you're not allowed to have a good Structure.
You can still sort it out trough Functions, and yes I did / im doing my own Gamemode.
But I also dont use "expermintal" things to play around, with every action you do to expand PAWN in a way it is not designed to makes it unstable.
Callback hooking in that way is just in-efficient for me, if you do some plug & play Includes for giggles ok, but as whole Gamemode ? No.
Everything you do in your Gamemode affect's the Servers performance and Sync.
Even if it's only a little bit, it stacks up to be a huge problem on very large gamemodes.
It's the same with the "Plugin" "Gamemodes", everyone think's its efficient because it's in c++ using sampgdk, but infact it is not that efficient if you need to call pawn registered functions everytime and can't access the internal structures.
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Callback hooking will have an effect too marginal to make any significant difference whereas you have all your systems in single callbacks you end up with a cluster of code. A good design isn't going affect the speed of your gamemode in any negative way. I don't know if you built a gamemode but from my experience I know that fundamental design is far superior to any marginal loss of efficiency related to callback hooking.
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Where I said that you're not allowed to have a good Structure.
You can still sort it out trough Functions, and yes I did / im doing my own Gamemode.
But I also dont use "expermintal" things to play around, with every action you do to expand PAWN in a way it is not designed to makes it unstable.
Callback hooking in that way is just in-efficient for me, if you do some plug & play Includes for giggles ok, but as whole Gamemode ? No.
Everything you do in your Gamemode affect's the Servers performance and Sync.
Even if it's only a little bit, it stacks up to be a huge problem on very large gamemodes.
It's the same with the "Plugin" "Gamemodes", everyone think's its efficient because it's in c++ using sampgdk, but infact it is not that efficient if you need to call pawn registered functions everytime and can't access the internal structures.
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To skip to the point: The core problem is that both PAWN and SA-MP are very inefficient.
You have some points there and I would agree that you could organize your gamemode effectively by using functions and I would say that is an acceptable approach if your comfortable with it.
I also 100 agree using c++, php, java etc to build your gamemode is silly for the reasons you have listed.
"Even if it's only a little bit, it stacks up to be a huge problem on very large gamemodes."
What I don't agree with is this statement completely because as I mentioned the difference is very small I have hundreds of hooks in my gamemode and there is no sync issues. However for someone who has a limited CPU on their host and a beefy gamemode there is a possibility that this could affect them. I think overall and for most people and most gamemodes using hooking far outweighs any negative aspects.
At any rate I do appreciate your opinion it is always interesting to see another persons views expressed and compared against your own.
I also 100 agree using c++, php, java etc to build your gamemode is silly for the reasons you have listed.
"Even if it's only a little bit, it stacks up to be a huge problem on very large gamemodes."
What I don't agree with is this statement completely because as I mentioned the difference is very small I have hundreds of hooks in my gamemode and there is no sync issues. However for someone who has a limited CPU on their host and a beefy gamemode there is a possibility that this could affect them. I think overall and for most people and most gamemodes using hooking far outweighs any negative aspects.
At any rate I do appreciate your opinion it is always interesting to see another persons views expressed and compared against your own.
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Scavenge & Survive is great.Grandpa Ze link said:
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We translated this GM to Turkish and opened a server. But It's closed now, and yes; That's very sexy gamemode.
Speaking of which, I am looking for a gamemode scripter. Complex, advanced roleplay mode, and idea goes far from what we've seen so far. If you feel like you are ready to become a server director and manager, ye, contact me on Skype (thezerots).
Sum sexy GM der to b c;
Sum sexy GM der to b c;
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HAIL NATION! HAIL! LET'S LAUGH AT THIS PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL AND HIS NONSENSE!
When one says "Hacking = Crossing someone over", then we, sane people, laugh. Are you implying that Opcode is a person who would scam you? Are you implying that Springfield is so too? Are you implying that 25Ghz, Monstercat, 0x688, Xzytro, ThermaL are scammers and robbers?
Let's laugh.
I am not asking on SA-MP forums for a reason. I know how marketing works, and trust me, I know.
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I'll save Pottus the time
Incase you don't know who he is.
The gamemode has 100's of thousands of redundant code (yes more than 60% of code does nothing)
The whole admin system is ass.
The whole ban system is ass.
The faction system, drug system, VIP
I could go on for a couple posts.
Incase you don't know who he is.
The gamemode has 100's of thousands of redundant code (yes more than 60% of code does nothing)
The whole admin system is ass.
The whole ban system is ass.
The faction system, drug system, VIP
I could go on for a couple posts.
